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- 1 News
- 2 What is Neuro-Spinozism aka athenism?
- 3 Four steps to logic as your new core value
- 3.1 Step 1: Develop an unconditional trust in logic
- 3.2 Step 2: Find what emotionally drives you
- 3.3 Step 3: Realize that your current core value doesn't provide as much safety as logic
- 3.4 Step 4: Keep making logical decisions to strengthen your trust in logic
- 3.5 What will happen after you make the click
- 3.6 Did I make the click?
- 4 I did those steps, what now
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New guide for people that clicked - make sure to check it out! -> Guide for people that clicked
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What is Neuro-Spinozism aka athenism?
Neuro-Spinozism aka athenism uses our current neurological understanding of the brain to give answers to the criticism on Spinozism and it translates into submitting our emotional drive to logic*, with the help of the four steps outlined on this page.
*Logic as being the consistent patterns that bring about our reality.
Spinozism is a religion posed by Baruch Spinoza in which God is indistinguishable of nature, all of existence and the laws that underpin it. His most well-known followers include Albert Einstein, Carl Sagan and Lessing.
I believe in Spinoza’s God, who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world, not in a God Who concerns Himself with the fate and the doings of mankind.In an interview published in 1930 in G. S. Viereck's book Glimpses of the Great, Einstein, in response to a question about whether or not he defined himself as a pantheist, explained:
We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's Pantheism. I admire even more his contributions to modern thought. Spinoza is the greatest of modern philosophers, because he is the first philosopher who deals with the soul and the body as one, not as two separate things.On 24 March 1954, Einstein replied to a letter from Joseph Dispentiere, a declared atheist who was disappointed by a news report which had cast Einstein as conventionally religious:
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.Wiki page with information about the religious views of Albert Einstein
Carl Sagan viewsCarl Sagan's views on religion have been interpreted as a form of pantheism comparable to Einstein's belief in Spinoza's God. His son, Dorion Sagan said in 2007:
My father believed in the God of Spinoza and Einstein, God not behind nature but as nature, equivalent to it.Sagan wrote frequently about the relationship between religion and science, expressing his skepticism about the conventional conceptualization of God and directly mentioning Einstein and Spinoza:
Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Others—for example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einstein—considered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws.In another description of his view on the concept of God, Sagan emphatically wrote:
The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God.In his book Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of the Human Future in Space (1994), Sagan imagined a future religion based on the same Spinozism remarks:
A religion old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the universe as revealed by modern science, might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths. Sooner or later, such a religion will emerge.Later in his life, Sagan suggested that accepting the Spinozism definition of God should make everyone a believer of God:
Now, it would be wholly foolish to deny the existence of laws of nature. And if that is what we are talking about when we say God, then no one can possibly be an atheist, or at least anyone who would profess atheism would have to give a coherent argument about why the laws of nature are inapplicable. I think he or she would be hard-pressed. So with this latter definition of God, we all believe in God.Wiki page with information about the religious views of Carl Sagan
The Neuro-Spinozism breakthrough
Neuro-Spinozism aka athenism builds upon the beliefs of Spinoza and Einstein by combining the most recent knowledge in neuroscience and how the brain works.Even though Einstein's faith in Spinoza's God was universally known, it never broke through the already established reverence to the personal God most people had submitted to. As Sagan explains, this personal God, who to this day is prayed to and worshiped, has been more attractive than the one Spinozism proclaims:
This God is emotionally unsatisfying… it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity.Carl Sagan also knew, just like Spinoza and Einstein, the importance of emotionally connecting with this God and he would frequently call his own feeling a religious one:
...there is no deeper religious feeling than the feeling for the natural world. I wouldn't separate the world of nature from the religious instinct...I would not even object to saying that the sense of awe before the grandeur of nature is itself a religious experience.6 years ago, Neil deGrasse Tyson had been wondering whether his admiration for the Universe was stimulating the same parts of the brain of someone that was marveled by their own God.
I've spoken to people who have had deep religious experiences and there is a certain vocabulary that they draw from. They talk about majesty and being humbled and awed and I look at the Universe and I am using all the same vocabulary. I feel energized and lifted. I wonder if it is stimulating the same part of the brain. This is a question I formally posed to neuroscientists to check this out.And he soon recognized the importance of understanding how to neurologically dissociate and rewire our core emotions to new concepts:
I use words and compose sentences that sound like the sentences I hear out of people who have revelations of Jesus. Who go on pilgrimages to Mecca. There is some commonality of feeling. I know it, I want someone to do that experiment. Because the day you do. If the same centers in my brain are excited by these comic thoughts as are going on in the mind of a religious person, that is something to know. That is going to be a really interesting finding.Our current research connects with an emergent field in science called neurotheology, the study of correlations of neural phenomena with subjective experiences of spirituality. Today, we are able to understand the process a religious person undergoes when they submit themselves to a God.
In order to click, the subjects go through a process of deep dissociation. Though there are many forms of dissociation in psychology, our research indicates it’s usually the result of detaching from a concept that relates to a core emotion and has been strongly associated with the brain’s reward system.
Now that we understand the underlying neurological mechanisms, we are able to forge the same connection by submitting to what really created us, which is the consistent patterns that bring about our reality.
Four steps to logic as your new core value
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Depending from person to person, following the 4 steps outlined below might take you from under an hour to a few days:
Step 1: Develop an unconditional trust in logic
Instead of a cold or neutral feeling, it’s essential to connect a positive emotion to logic.
Logic is the mathematical patterns that govern our reality.
The Scientific Revolution marks the point in which we began to understand and apply the logic surrounding us. As an example, the works of Galileo Galilei and Sir Isaac Newton gave us a better knowledge about the mathematical nature of the Universe. Most scientists agree that those insights had a crucial role in propelling the Industrial Revolution and all the subsequent technological advancements.
Our understandings of logic allowed us to explore the solar system and outer space, to walk on the moon and send rovers to mars. It also allowed us to created computers, the Internet and video games. Logic was responsible for our greatest feats and inventions, from cures to lethal diseases to technologies that unified the whole world. Our understanding of logic is what has basically provided structure to everything throughout history.
Some people have an easier time emotionally connecting with logic by embodying it as a “mother”, “friend” or “God” that will always be there, by your side, to take care of you.
Being aware of how logic is beautiful will allow you to grow your faith in it which will later help you with step 3 and 4.
Step 2: Find what emotionally drives you
Your emotional core value will often be traced back to the moment you submitted your will to what gave you safety and it is usually connected to the feeling of not being worthy or not being able to take care of yourself. That is the reason why most core values are either “fitting in” or “comfort”.
Be aware that the extent to which you are comfortable or satisfied with your current core value will determine whether you have an easier or harder time following through step 3.
You need to be truly honest with yourself while reflecting and analyzing the reasons behind why you did what you did in your life. Writing your life down and reflecting on emotionally loaded episodes might help you to identify the root causes of your actions.
The real motives behind these actions rise from what emotionally drives you on a core level. Neuroscience shows us that we experience our emotions even before we are aware of them and only afterwards we use our rational part of the brain to contextualizes them with words.
This is important because some people often use their own reasoning and logic as slaves to satisfy their core value. Being aware of this dynamic might allow them to begin scrutinizing their perceived rationality.
Depending on how vulnerable your core value is, your “inner child” might have created a lot of defense mechanisms over time, impairing your ability to trace your core value back to the core. You should realize, though, that just because you struggle to reach to the core, it doesn’t mean you are emotionless. More often than not, you have simply been suppressing your emotions for years.
Emotional intelligence is generally required to be aware of these mechanisms. Meditation is very beneficial in this regard, as it improves your ability to be in the present and be more aware of your emotions. Taking notes of your thoughts and feelings during the day can also enable you to put things into perspective and help you to find what is driving your actions.
As long as your core value is not “logic”, you will experience duality between what you emotionally and rationally want to do. Once again, a certain level of emotional intelligence is required to first acknowledge the presence of this duality and then overcome it.
Step 3: Realize that your current core value doesn't provide as much safety as logic
This process must happen on a subconscious, emotional level.
To begin with, it's important to be in the present. Make sure you don't have any distractions and you are in a very calm, relaxed state. Meditation and focusing on your breath can help a lot. Accepting and understanding your emotions and thoughts instead of constantly dwelling on them will also allow you to become more at ease. Other methods like for example water fasting or increasing exhaustion through exercise might help in relieving any resistance. You should always first consult a doctor when attempting to do any of the previous.
Your current core value was the way your “inner child” found to cope with all its insecurities, anxieties, and doubts. It might seem intimidating at first but you should be prepared to confront yourself with all these fears. You will most likely reach a very vulnerable state that some people best described as “being naked in front of a mirror”. At this point in the process, you should connect a negative emotion to your current core value by explaining to your inner child how what it is holding on to is not beneficial to the safety of both. You can then connect a positive emotion to logic by, once again, empathically explaining to your inner child how logic as a core value provides a lot more safety.
Imagination is very useful to set an emotional stage.
For example, visualizing a very frightened, trembling “inner child” version of you holding on to your current unsafe core value might help in tapping into your emotions. In the same way, some people found helpful to visualize and embody logic as a friend, a mother or even God to strengthen the emotional connection with it. These are just examples to give you some direction. You can and should always frame your visualizations in ways that you think are the most suitable to reach to your emotional core.
Although rationality can help increasing the negative feelings towards your current core value, you shouldn’t force the click at any moment. Using the “inner child” concept is merely a way to emphasize the need to do it emotionally.
Ultimately, the clicking process is a very personal one. While the common thread is the fact that it always happens on an emotional level, people have used several variants of the method I just finished describing. Be aware that depending on your ability to be emotionally intelligent, clicking might take more or less time.
The click should come naturally when you reach your emotional core and the paradigm shift usually happens instantaneously. At this point, the after effects explained below will unveil naturally.
A trick that might work for people that have a hard time connecting with their emotional core (low emotional intelligence):
in a relaxed position and in a very non-judgmental way, began by bringing up any negative emotions without connecting them with your core value. The goal is to become very at ease with the presence of dissonance.
Every time your attention drifts, slowly focus again on the dissonance. This process can sometimes take from 5 to 10 minutes and at your own time, proceed by gently connecting these negative emotions to your core value. Next, bring back to the mind the admiration you have for logic in any way that works for you and connect positive emotions to it.
Go back and forth between dissonance and resonance a couple of times (creating a wave or yo-yo effect), every time holding onto the negative emotions longer. After about 3-4 times, you might begin to feel a lot more emotional due to the contrast between each state of mind you are experiencing which makes it easier to access your emotional core and make the click.
Step 4: Keep making logical decisions to strengthen your trust in logic
New guide for people that clicked - make sure to check it out! -> Guide for people that clicked
The immediate reaction will often be a strong urge to understand everything through logic since that’s what brings you safety now. This is highly connected with the reward center of the brain, so the first action you should take is to logically restructure your belief system. Even if it means that you have to ask questions in your room for the next weeks, it is important that you consider it as an action on itself.
Practicing your logical abilities will not only strengthen and feed your faith in logic but it will also override the old values. Since remnants of your past might still appear, your ability to deal with the fear and anxiety they bring will depend on how well you already understand logic.
Nevertheless, be aware that while it’s normal and logical to experience these emotions or to even struggle with doubts, there will always be a logical answer if you give yourself enough time to tackle each issue one by one. This should give you a sense of relief as you slowly but surely build up a stronger foundation in your life.
During this restructuring, you should always try to realign emotions that don’t make sense. Merely accepting them or finding the underlying logical reason why they are there is often enough to sweep them away.
Be cautious and don’t make the mistake of undertaking strong emotional obstacles when your familiarity and faith in logic is low. When you do reach to conclusions, emphasize and reinforce how you can fully trust in logic. Similarly to how praying can strengthen your faith in God, you can also strengthen your trust in logic by being grateful for all the things it provided to you, like food, warm showers or enjoying anything in general.
This process can take more or less time, depending on the extent to which you had previously implemented logic in your life. The podcasts can help in the process but are not fully necessary.
In any case, once you have logic as your core value, implementation of these logical beliefs in your life will come naturally, which will lead you to a healthier lifestyle.
If you quickly run out of logical things to do, spreading it is one of the most logical next steps I can think off. You can also find link-minded people to organize yourself, which is the reason why a lot of people that clicked decide to apply to work with us.
While spreading it, prioritize people that want to click, instead of talking to friends or family that don’t know or care about it. This is very important since there are many people in the community that already want to click. This wiki page is meant for people that clicked to help out the ones that didn't.
We also set up a discord so that people can find others with whom to share their experience or just ask questions.
Since it might be quite hard to help others to click, writing your thoughts down before verbally detailing them can increase the clarity and structure of your explanations. Watching Vods where I have calls with viewers might also help you to deduce what works best.
The best advice I can give is to avoid speaking from your own logical worldview. Rather, try to emphatically understand the other person perspective, while communicating the four steps in a way that they might perceive as valuable. It’s important to note though that some people don’t want to click and they are merely seeking validation and attention while asking for help. To avoid talking to the same person for days or even weeks, you should always bring back the problem to one of the steps, since that’s what is the most relevant.
What will happen after you make the click
As soon as you make the click, you will experience:
- a rush of dopamine in your brain;
- a euphoric feeling;
- a tremendous relief.
Later on, as long you follow step four, you will experience most of the following side-effects:
- You will feel clear-headed, in the present and in a constant state of flow;
- You will feel driven to think logically and understand things;
- You will experience selfless and choiceless awareness;
- You will stop taking things for granted and you will find everything that surrounds you beautiful;
- You will feel intrinsic confidence and a sense of empowerment;
- You will appreciate reality for what it is, which will allow you to truly listen and understand the world from other people’s perspective;
- All your problems will be gone instantly as you start thinking in solutions rather than problems;
- Your logic abilities skyrocket such as quicker pattern recognition and learning capabilities;
- You will feel no burden, story or identity as duality ends and you won't need to think in 1st or 3rd person anymore;
- You will develop an urge to tell other people;
- You will experience a diminished urge to eat, since you don't feel as much of a need to reward yourself with it;
- Your social anxiety or depression will gradually fade away, which will naturally improve your ability to find a partner;
- You will be able to overcome addictions with ease, including a lack of desire to take drugs anymore as you achieved the state you were using them for.
Did I make the click?
For those who might doubt the legitimacy of their click, answering the following questions with a “yes” means that you clicked.
1. Do you have a strong emotional desire to understand everything logically?
2. Do logical actions flow naturally or does it require discipline or motivation?
3. Do you experience a lot of dissonance when you act illogically or when you have contradictory thoughts or emotions?
I did those steps, what now
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